Mary and her husband are expecting their seventh baby — their sixth boy! This little guy joins big siblings:
- John Paul
- Simon Joseph
- Magdalen Therese nn Maggie
- Mark Francis
- Damian Bernard
- Leo Abraham
Such great naaaames!! I love them all!!
“So here we are, needing a name for our 6th boy and I’m feeling tapped out. Part of the problem is that the more kids you have the more rules you have: I don’t really want another M name, or another that ends in the -an sound and it needs to feel like it matches with our other kids’ names. Our last name is also a bit of a problem — any final T or D especially gets swallowed up by beginning D of our surname. This takes some otherwise great names like Clement or Benedict out of consideration. Finally there’s my feeling that names we considered for previous kids are now reject names and I don’t want my baby to have a reject name. I recognize that this is pretty silly and that’s why I’m not going to share these names with you — I want a fresh perspective with no baggage!
Other names we don’t want to use for various reasons:
The current, extremely short list is:
- Cosmas. Simon especially is really gunning for this and I do like it a lot but I wonder if it’s too weird outside of Catholic circles.
- Matthias. But it’s an M name and we already have 3 of those. Also [Hubby] seems pretty ambivalent.”
I think Mary’s definitely come to the right place, because I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about boy names! Haha! I really love the names Mary and her hubby have given their older boys — John Paul, Simon, Mark, Damian, and Leo are all really fantastic and really convey the faith well. (Magdalen too — one of my favorites! Such a beautiful name for a girl with so many brothers!) I’m excited to try to find some ideas for their sixth boy!
Before I get to my official suggestions below, I thought I’d offer my thoughts on the names that they’re considering and their name rules, in case they’re helpful:
- Cosmas: I really love that Mary and her husband are willing to consider such a cool name! Its faith connections are impeccable, but her question about whether or not it’s “too weird outside of Catholic circles” is a valid one. It’s hard for me to tell, since I’m so deep in Catholicky Catholic names all the time, so I sometimes have a hard time looking in as from the outside. On the one hand, I immediately think of Sts. Cosmas and Damian (which in itself presents something for them to think about as well — do they like Damian having a brother named Cosmas, or is that a negative?) — Cosmas feels familiar to me because Cosmas and Damian is a familiar reference point for me. On the other hand, Cosmas wasn’t in the top 1000 names bestowed in 2019 (the last year that the Social Security Administration shared name stats), so I dug deeper to see how many baby boys were given the name in the U.S., and it doesn’t show up in the data at all in 2019 (the SSA reports all names given to five or more babies each year, so its absence on the list lets you know how very few babies were given the name — maybe even zero). I looked back each year until 2010, and it was given to five babies in 2012, 2014, and 2016, and less than five in the other years. So it’s a very very rare name, which is probably the best marker of whether or not it’s too weird outside of Catholic circles. It’s variant Cosmo gets a bit more usage, maybe (probably?) because of the character of Cosmo Kramer on Seinfeld — it was given to 49 boys in 2019. But even though Cosmo is a variant of Cosmas, and so can take the same saint as patron, I do think it has the added element of “the cosmos,” which could feel a little astrological maybe? In addition to the Seinfeld reference, which may or may not be a positive.
- Matthias: Matthias was high on our list through several of our boys, I love it! But the fact that Mary really doesn’t want another M name, combined with the fact that her hubby doesn’t seem all that jazzed about it, tells me it would be best to keep looking.
- “Reject” names: Mary’s perspective of not wanting to use names that they decided against for their other kids is one that’s new to me since starting the blog, but I’ve found that it’s not unusual at all! It might help to try to reframe their thinking as, “We didn’t reject that name because it was bad, we decided against it for *that* baby because it didn’t seem like the right name for him/her. But it might be the right name for *this* baby.” But if that doesn’t help, then hopefully some of my ideas here are new ones that will be helpful!
- Their other rules: I like all their other rules! No M names seems right; no ends-in-the-an-sound sounds right; “needs to go with the other kids” sounds right. I did break Mary’s rule of no-ending-in-T-or-D, though, as there was one name that I thought they might like that I didn’t think was overly problematic that its ending sound runs into their last name. And for that matter, I don’t think Clement sounds bad with their last name, nor does Benedict. But then, my maiden name is Towne, so I was Kate Towne my whole growing up, and some people would mishear my name as Kay Towne, which I hated, but it really wasn’t a huge deal — I learned to enunciate the T in Kate, and I loved my name then and still do. So it’s definitely a preference, but if they don’t like it, they don’t like it!
So those are my thoughts on the names Mary and her husband are considering — now on to my new ideas! You all know that I always start a consultation by looking up the names the parents have already used and those they like/are considering in the Baby Name Wizard (affiliate link) as it lists, for each entry, boy and girl names that are similar in terms of style/feel/popularity — I did so for this family, with a particular eye toward finding names that are early-Church-ish and of course that go with their other kiddos’ names. Based on that, these are my new ideas for them:
One of the first names that jumped out at me as a name they might like was Jude — a style match for Simon — but with its D ending and the fact that his name would sound like Jew D___, I thought it probably wasn’t a great idea after all. But the other part of St. Jude’s name — Thaddeus — is a match for Magdalen, Matthias, and Benedict (which I used in my research since Mary called it an “otherwise great name”), and it has some great nicknames — Thad, Tad, and Taddy (which I guess don’t fit with Mary’s rule, oops!).
Gabriel is such a fantastic name — it’s biblical and Marian and a great style match for Mary’s other kids’ names. Gabe is one of my very favorite nicknames — friendly and masculine — and I’ve also seen Gil, Gib, and Eli used as nickname for Gabriel.
I really wanted to find an alternative for Matthias for them — Matthias seems to me like the exact kind of name they’re looking for, but with it starting with an M, I agree that it’s probably not ideal (though if they decided to go for it, I wouldn’t be disappointed!). I wondered what they’d think of Tobias? It rhymes with Matthias but doesn’t have the problematic M, and just like I consider Matthias to be a particularly Catholic New Testament name (since he was basically chosen at the first Church Council! Haha!), so too do I consider Tobias to be a particularly Catholic Old Testament name, since it comes from the Book of Tobit, which isn’t in Protestant bibles. And Toby is such a darling nickname!
One of my very favorite names, which I tried to convince my husband of through all of my boys I think, is Joachim — the name we traditionally assign to Our Lady’s father and, due to that fact, another name that I consider to be particularly Catholicky Catholic. It’s not really well known in America (though it’s got more usage than Cosmas! It was given to 28 baby boys in 2019), but it’s got pretty good usage outside of America — I wrote more about that here. Joe is an easy nickname, and they could even think of it as a nod to St. Joseph in this Year of St. Joseph, which is a nice way to work him in without repeating Simon’s middle name. Or if Joe isn’t working for Mary, we would have used Jake as the nickname, which I still love.
Lucas is a style match for Matthias, and while I think that a Matthias-type name is the kind Mary and her hubs are looking for, I didn’t want to forget about Mark, who has a bit different style than his siblings’ names, which is funny since his name is a New Testament name and four of their other six have New Testament names! I wanted to include at least one name in this list that loops Mark in more, and Luke really struck me as being a great option. I would understand if they didn’t want to follow Leo with another L name, so maybe they want to hold on to Luke/Lucas for the future if they were to have another boy, but otherwise I think Leo and Luke are darling together — if this baby and Leo are particularly close in age, it might even be a perfect idea.
Dominic is such a natural idea for this family, to me, that I feel like they must have considered it and decided they don’t like it, so this might be a wasted suggestion, but I couldn’t not include it here! I considered whether or not I thought having two sons with D names, especially with their D last name, was too much, and decided that I kind of love it. I’m a big fan of alliteration anyway, so Damian D___ and Dominic D___ are awesome in my opinion! Dom, Dommy, and even Nic/Nicky/Nico are nickname possibilities for Dominic.
They could think of Isaac in the bible as patron for a little Isaac, or they could think of one of my favorite Saints, St. Isaac Jogues (I live quite close to the Shrine of the North American Martyrs, where St. Isaac’s remains are said to be on the grounds somewhere, never found). I read a book years ago by Susie Lloyd I think — she has two: Please Don’t Drink the Holy Water and Bless Me, Father, For I Have Kids — and she gave an example of the kids’ names in Catholic families by describing a boy who introduced himself as “Isaac Jogues Callahan” (or a similar last name) and it made me laugh then and it still does! Isaac Jogues as a first+middle combo would be so cool, and so clearly saintly to anyone who knows about St. Isaac! (But also Isaac just on its own, no pressure!) Ike and Zac are traditional nicknames for Isaac.
(8) Edmund, Campion
Finally, Edmund is a match for both Clement and Benedict (both of which I used as inspiration, since Mary indicated that she would like them but for their last letter), and like them, ends in one of her problematic letters. However, when I say “Edmund,” I rarely hear the D, or barely, so I don’t think Edmund D___ sounds bad! But then I saw that Abby from Appellation Mountain recently spotlighted Campion, and I immediately thought it sounded like a name Mary and her hubs would like, and could still take St. Edmund Campion as patron. I love the nickname Cam! I know St. Edmund is later than the Saints of their older kids’ names, but I wanted to include it here just in case.
And those are my ideas! What do you all think? What name(s) would you suggest for the little brother of John Paul, Simon, Magdalen/Maggie, Mark, Damian, and Leo?
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13 thoughts on “Baby name consultation: Parents need fresh name ideas for boy no. 6”
What is the most common pronunciation of Joachim? I’ve never considered it because I’ve never been sure of the right way to say it.
Yo ach eem is the pronunciation where we live in Austria 🇦🇹 or in 🇩🇪 Germany. Our oldest son has this name in Austria — spelled Joakim. Yo uh keem . and it is absolutely beautiful and quite common with Catholics around the world ❤️
In USA People say my sons name Yo uh keem as well
Personally, I wouldn’t worry too much about repeating initials if you really like a name. My fil is one of 5 siblings, 3 of whom have the same first initial. I think those were just the names their parents liked.
I love the suggestion of Tobias, and I agree with you that Edmund has a soft d sound. I think Edmund Tobias is just amazing together.
Henry comes to mind after reading their other boys’ names. Also, with such a great representation of Biblical names, what about Aaron, Noah, Nathaniel, Samuel, or Benjamin?
Fun to see this family’s name since I have a Paul, Mark, and a Magdalen. I completely understand why they don’t want another M name, but naming big families is so hard, it might be a good idea to let that preference go.
In terms of drawing Mark’s name into the set more, I also have an Andrew and I always enjoy saying Mark and Andrew’s name together.
I like Kate’s suggestion of Gabriel. I would also suggest Philip. It seems to have the same English vibe that some of their other boys’ names have.
Of course I had to click thru to comment on this one!! We also have 6 boys, including a Simon and Mark, and half of the suggestions are our middle names (Clement, Edmund, Dominic, Bennett/Benedict).
Some others we’ve used or considered:
Congrats and blessings, and don’t forget to update us! 🙏🏼
Forgot to say we also have an Abe (Abel), and two of my sons just used Joseph and Francis for Confirmation/Chrismation.
I love Gabriel for them! I like others, too: Felix, Nicholas, Anthony and George.
But my favorites for this family are Peter and Blaise.
Since you’re considering Cosmas, maybe you would like Caspar, Cassius or Cletus?
I second Tobias, Peter, Blaise, Andrew and George.
I also keep thinking of Timothy which seems a step away from Damian and toward Mark.
Maybe something like Isaiah Timothy or Patrick Emil if you want to stay more mainstream. Maybe Cletus Emmanuel or Caspar Ignatius if you want something more Catholicky Catholic as Kate calls it.
I would definitely assume there was some specific connection between brothers named Cosmas and Damian (twins, same birthday, etc.). Still, they are only part of a sibling set for so long before they’re off on their own and it wouldn’t really matter. For a similar reason, I wouldn’t worry so much about repeated initials considered you’ve already repeated before.
I agree with the suggestions of Dominic, Isaac, Samuel, Aaron, Philip. Anthony, Peter, Patrick, Timothy, Andrew, Roman, and Felix. I’ll suggest Adrian, Elias, Victor, Alexander, & Gerard.
Dear Kate, thank you for mentioning Joachim again. I know we have chatted about this before.
We live in Austria 🇦🇹🏔and have 4 bilingual kids with dual citizenship and an Austrian dad.
Joakim Erich, Ephraim Anthony, Noach Johannes and Naomi Anne
Joachim is such a special name! I cannot remember hearing it used for American Catholics except for Spanish speakers who use Joaquin, also beautiful.
It is surprisingly popular in France Spain Germany Norway Sweden Denmark etc. in Italy as well but a different spelling 😆🙌
Our oldest is often called Joki. . Pronunciation: Yo key. It is the nickname over here and in Norway Sweden the Netherlands etc for Joachim or Joakim.
It works well for our American family as it is easy to remember and say and sweet as well ❤️
Love all of your suggestions but especially Thaddäus and Joachim (oops that is the German spelling I mean
I would love to use it with the nickname teddy after my oldest brother ❤️💙